Chex Quest Newmaps - Won't Load

[SSF156]

Is anyone else having an issue running Chex Quest Newmaps on Windows 10? I was told to download the latest source port and it does work. However, the source port causes the Midi to not work. Some parts of the midi play while some do not upon looping. If I run the traditional Doom Legacy V. 1.43 it crashes on loading, stating, "signal handler segment violation."

[MajorSlime]

"signal handler segment violation" is a more generic program exception, and likely has to do with the age of traditional Doom Legacy and running on newer hardware/software.

Newmaps itself is an older mod and hasn't been updated in sometime. The issue with Midi is also likely due to age, but this time the mod itself. I'd say best bet is to try the versions between latest and 1.43 until you find a balance.

[Awesomedude249]

Will Newmaps work on newer source ports like GZDooM?

[MajorSlime]

I highly doubt it, but I'm not the expert on Legacy. Legacy and ZDoom used different formats for various things (in particular, I believe Legacy doesn't have DECORATE and instead uses DEHACKED to achieve something similar. Don't quote me on details, I never looked into the specifics of Legacy).

[xbolt]

No, Newmaps used so many Legacy-specific tips and hacks it's not even funny. GZDoom is right out.

I am able to run 1.42 perfectly on my Win10 setup, so I don't understand why you would be getting segfaults. See, the problem with those is it's such a generic error that could mean just about anything. Hard to pin down what the exact cause is.

Here's a thing: try to start 1.42 in software mode. You'll get some issues with rendering some of my stuff, but I'm interested to see if it will get past the segfault.

[Atariangamer]

Jumping in with a note here...

1.44 and up have a weird MIDI issue that isn't fully diagnosed. I think it has to do with how the sound library is setup...
1.43 was a Mac only release that, strangely enough, doesn't fully work on either PowerPC or Intel Macintoshes (I've tried, several times).
1.42 was the de facto standard for awhile. Just take some time to set up the video modes and such.


BTW, Xbolt... does the mod have odd loading requirements? Like, chex.wad renamed to doomu.wad, or did you fix that? It's been ages...

[MajorSlime]

1.43 was a Mac only release that, strangely enough, doesn't fully work on either PowerPC or Intel Macintoshes (I've tried, several times).

Well that would be why there's a segfault. If it's Mac only though, how did he manage to get it to start in the first place...? o_O

[Boingo the Clown]

Did you say it uses a lot of Legacy specific hacks?

What kind of hacks?

As you may recall, T.U.C.Q. was Legacy specific and made heavy use of hacks before it was converted over to GZDooM.

Maybe it is possible to convert it to GZDooM.

[Atariangamer]

Did you say it uses a lot of Legacy specific hacks?

What kind of hacks?

As you may recall, T.U.C.Q. was Legacy specific and made heavy use of hacks before it was converted over to GZDooM.

Maybe it is possible to convert it to GZDooM.

Off the top of my head... an absolute ton of FraggleScript and DeHackEd, specific uses of Legacy's corona dynamic lights, fog, water, 3D flooring, Legacy-specific linedefs, and probably at least a few instances of mapping that would freak other engines out in their current states.

All of this can be converted, but it would require converting quite a few objects into DECORATE (from scratch), a lot of fiddling with dynamic light settings to get certain effects back, and rewriting several levels of scripting. Also... The third episodes secret would probably take *ages* to get running correctly again.

[Replica]

Well, ZDoom has FraggleScript and DeHackEd compatibility. I'm not certain to what extent. It doesn't have Legacy Corona Lights though. I'm not certain of the rest, but it may be worth trying.

[noob1234]

Man, Legacy’s dynamic lights are still better than GZDoom’s...

[Boingo the Clown]

The fraggle script will work without trouble in GZDooM, but the nonstandard hacks will not.  They may even be the cause of the segment violation error in Legacy 1.43, seeing how I came up with the nonstandard hacks for 1.42, which was the main version of Legaccy for over five years.  The Legacy linedefs should also work in GZDooM.

The DEHackEd  lump will have to be redone as DECORATE.  You will need to play the wad in version 1.42 to see what the different monsters do.

I am unable to help, unfortunately.  I may have come up with the non standard hacking, but it was a long time ago, and with my recent move, all of my notes are lost.

And I agree. Legacy's dynamic lights do look better than GZDooM's. Hurdler did a really nice job on them.